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Ever wrestled with a standard airplane seatbelt, praying for just an inch more of slack? Ever felt the unwelcome scrutiny of fellow passengers as you board, the silent judgment heavy as lead? Buckle up for a journey through the not-so-friendly skies as we tackle the unspoken challenges of flying while fat. We'll shine a spotlight on the airline industry's troubling approach to passenger comfort and examine the implications of policies that squeeze profits at the expense of people.
Ever had someone else's toes creep into your personal space during a long haul flight? We'll share personal stories of in-flight discomforts and microaggressions, while also touching on the positives, like the unexpected luxuries of first-class flying. We'll navigate the turbulence of Southwest Airlines' Person of Size policy and the potential impact of New Zealand Airlines' controversial survey. Through it all, we'll underline the emotional toll of these experiences and the need for a more accommodating, respectful travel environment.
But this isn't just a one-way conversation. We want to hear your in-flight experiences, your tips for staying comfortable and calm, and your thoughts on how to challenge the rampant fatphobia in the aviation industry. We'll also chat about representation, dishing on our favorite fat-positive influences in the media and the necessity of normalizing fat bodies in all contexts. So, whether you're a seasoned jet-setter or preparing for your maiden voyage, join us for an illuminating discussion on the highs and lows of flying while fat.
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00:04 - Flying While Fat
06:08 - Travel Experiences for Fat Passengers
13:45 - Fat-Shaming and Discrimination During Air Travel
21:00 - Discrimination and Policy Changes in Airlines
33:11 - Fat People and Airline Travel
41:04 - Normalizing Conversations About Seatbelt Extenders
46:41 - Flying With Discomfort and Accommodations
54:57 - In-Flight Snacking and Unpleasant Smells
01:00:08 - Mile High Club and Giveaway Announcements
01:08:03 - Normalizing Representation in Media
Hi, welcome to Big Sexy Chat. I'm Crystal, I'm Murph. We're just two rad fatties sitting around chewing the fat Twice a month. We'll be chatting about current events hot topics sex, sex toys, fat politics, fat community cannabis, cbd, you name it. We're going to talk about it. We are very excited to have you a part of our community. Welcome and enjoy. Hey there, welcome back to Big Sexy Chat. I'm Crystal, I'm Murph, yay, and we are two rad fatties sitting around chewing the fat. Heck, yeah, how's everything?
Speaker 3:Murph. Oh, things are going well. I've been busy on this three day weekend being what I feel is productive probably not what most people's level of productivity is, but what I'm willing to give up on.
Speaker 1:a three day weekend oh yeah, right, yeah, my, you know, my partner's had COVID and I didn't catch it. Yay, I know. So I got a lot done because I couldn't really work. Well, I could, I would email people and say or text hey, is what's going on? Most of them said no, thank you. Yeah, so, because they are, assume I might get it because we live together. But anyway, I just gave people the information they can make the decision. So I had like three days off and I got a lot done too. And then he's starting to feel better and I keep testing negative. So, yay, it's back. Yeah, it's the back to school surge. I think I'm going to be. All the people are mixed. All the kids are mixing their petri dish germs together.
Speaker 3:Again, that's exactly it, and we're. We're going to get hit with probably the most contagious variant, but the least dangerous.
Speaker 1:I've been begging for my next booster or my next vaccine, but because I'm not 65, they won't give it to me. Damn it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they're waiting for this next big variant to go through and then they're going to make a push for it.
Speaker 1:I need one. I want one. I haven't had one since October. I'm very much into vaccines. I'm like what do you got? Give it to me. I did the shingles one pneumonia, one flu shot. Give it all to me. That's right. So far I haven't grown a third eyeball or anything.
Speaker 3:Well, but the nano bots are in your body and 5G is controlling you. I want 10G. 10g, ooh, I like that. Yeah, no, 5g, fuck that. I want 10G. That's right. We're making it big, that's right. Go big or go home.
Speaker 1:Big sexy G's, yeah, like we have big sexy T'scom where we have all of our merch, yeah.
Speaker 3:We should make big sexy G's and have our own little.
Speaker 1:Coke conspiracy. Yeah, I'm fat because of my vaccines, that's right. So we have kind of a serious topic tonight and we know it's really popular topic with our listeners and our community. And we even took a poll on our Facebook page and we asked people what would they rather us talk about? And the number one answer was flying while fat.
Speaker 3:I think there's a lot of history trauma, experience that a lot of individuals that aren't people of size don't understand and don't understand don't know that it really exists. So part of my hope is, like by talking about some of the horror stories and the things that we deal with, is that people recognize this is happening right now. This is 2023 type experiences. This is not something back in the 60s. This is open, wide discrimination.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, and the airlines in the last 20 years decided they wanted to pack more people onto an airplane because they want to make more profit, and so the seats got smaller, the seat belts got smaller and people got bigger.
Speaker 3:So yeah, and it all makes sense, but it also doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1:It makes sense if you live in a world that's extremely anti-fat, right and fully capitalistic. Yes and fully capitalistic, oh, yeah, right. So something I say a lot and you've probably seen this even in my recent video that I made and we're asking for people to send in their videos or their horror stories or their fat hacks for traveling. But I was saying in my video, I don't ever take on the guilt I used to take on for being fat and not fitting in the seat. I look this shit up. Airlines are not hurting. Southwest Airlines, the first one, thank goodness to have the person of size policy. Guess what? They made $6.1 billion last year. They're going to be okay. Giving me the extra seat? Yeah Well, it's going to be fine.
Speaker 3:Southwest. I mean of all of the airlines, while they're the ones that they're the one that has the customer of size policy. That's the best so far. They're also. It's like herding cattle when you go Southwest. You're crammed so closely in. Every flight is sold out. They are trying to maximize occupancy as much as possible. And so there's never. The only time I think I've ever been on a Southwest flight that wasn't fully packed was at four something in the morning, yeah. You know it's just otherwise. Yeah, they're asking people to get off the plane. Is anybody willing to?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Supposedly, Southwest is not overselling their flights anymore. They changed their policy. I think a lot of airlines did. But yeah, I know, if you're flying and you're a person of size and you haven't arranged it ahead of time and they don't have enough seats, they will come on the plane and offer people Would anybody like to give up their seat? And then that person gets rewarded handsomely. In fact, I've done it before where I'm like yeah, I'll stay another hour and a half here at the airport if I'm going to get $600 worth of credits, no problem.
Speaker 3:Right, well, and one thing I love about TikTok is that there's so many people on there sharing life hacks and things like that is that the airline technically has to give you at a minimum. I think it's like $1,200 or it's some ridiculous amount of money You're supposed to, but they start at O plus whatever, so that they think, oh well, nobody can, Nobody's going to know the little hack that we have.
Speaker 1:We know them all now.
Speaker 3:Exactly.
Speaker 1:Thank you, TikTok.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so let's jump in with horror stories. So you want to tell the folks about your experience with not flying?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I took a lot of years off from flying and if I was needed to go home for an emergency if my home is in Vegas or Henderson, I'd have to drive there because I was so stressed out about getting on an airplane. And I'm sure you're aware of this, this feeling too. When you walk up to the gate you start getting like darts thrown at you through their eyes. You know they're like God, there's a fat girl just going to sit next to me and I'm just like smiling. I always check overdress. I'm like super cute, I'm all done. Because you know I can't look fat and sloppy because Lord knows, you know that's not allowed. So I would make sure I was, oh, you know, performing femininity and you know like I was approachable and nice and not a mean old fat bitch, all that shit I am. But I was trying to project a different image so I wouldn't get so much shit. You know people might be like oh, she might be fun to snuggle next to I. Just, I always felt so bad before, like I could feel my hips touching the person next to me. I'm like, I feel like I'm encroaching on their space. Then I did that mind switch where I was like hey, this is the airlines fault. They're the ones who make. Sometimes on Southwest flights, depending on which airplane you're on, 15.5 inches wide, that's the seat, that's just barely over a foot, and then the average on the Southwest airlines, the different planes, is 17 inches. Still not that big, it's, yeah. So I stopped flying for a long time until I learned things to the fat community. I learned about the person of size policy and I was like but at the time I was like kind of broke and the person of size policy, people say just buy, just buy two tickets. Well, that's not always easy to do and so then you can just get a refund on the back end. And now I could probably do that, but also I know that you don't have to do that. And so I started flying again and I thought I wonder how the airlines are doing. Are they hurting because they're giving away all these extra seats? Because basically, when I go get checked in, they print out two tickets for me, like my normal ticket, and then the extra one to put in the middle seat to hold my space, and it looks like I paid for it. Nobody knows if I did or not when people walk by, and even if they ask us oh, I bought, I bought two seats because I'm a person of size, you know. I bought two seats come fat. No, you can't sit here because people will ask that little ticket supposed to help the other people know when they walk by that seats available. So I was worried like, okay, are they still doing? Okay financially? Yeah, they are, and my theory is that fat people are flying again because of Southwest Airlines.
Speaker 3:I think that there's definitely an increase, for sure because of Southwest and because we make 70% of the population Absolutely Well, and I think also now hearing about other people's person of size policy starting to be developed. Southwest really led the way with that and there's a lot to be said. They've got some issues in their past, but you know, I think that is something where you know you get slapped on the hand and then it's like we really need to address this.
Speaker 1:And one thing I try to do every time I fly Southwest Airlines I try to remember to go to their Twitter or to their feedback page and just say thank you, that lady here, I'm so grateful for you Because you know, people just usually make emails and tweets to business when they're pissed. I wouldn't know how much I appreciate and when I would talk to other people and say make sure you go online and send them a note. You're how grateful you are. Because I am so grateful because I could go to the East Coast now and you know we have some traveling coming up. We're going to Seattle, we might go to New York. You know we need to be uncomfortable. I don't want to be bruised when I get off the airplane, because sometimes I would be bruised.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, those little metal seat dividers are no joke.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, yeah. So I'm I mean I'm happy to be able to fly again, at least with Southwest. I haven't tested any other airlines, but I know other airlines are trying to get it together.
Speaker 3:Well, and I think part of that too, is like what are the concessions? You know, if you have the ability to pay for first class, you're going to get a lot more space than if you were paying for coach or if you were flying Southwest, Like. So there's things where, if you have that kind that privilege, you know, wow, okay, things are a little bit better, but there there are times where there's nothing that you can do. There are airlines that really do not give a shit about fat people.
Speaker 2:True, We'll talk about some of those too.
Speaker 3:So I used to travel a lot for work and I'd have to travel basically all around the state of California. So I had lots of experiences with Southwest, both good and bad. You know, southwest is probably the carrier that I've flown on the most, but I got to the point towards the end of the last position that I had where I was doing that kind of traveling, where I really I kind of became I lost that facade that you talked about. You know of the. I'm going to overdo the femininity and I'm just going to like really try to, you know, be as like, welcoming and, yeah, smiley as humanly possible. I had a situation where I was traveling with a staff member that I was actually training for the position and we got up to the front, to the check-in desk, because it said that we had to check in in person. We couldn't do it on their kiosk and so went up there and the guy was like, oh, here you have this and hands me the person of size stuff with the little ticket thing that you put on your chair Never had had that before. And so I was like, oh, okay, well, we're in LA and we're trying to get on the plane to get here into Sacramento and I don't know what had happened, but the security line was back up forever and I got stopped by TSA and it was because I was wearing jeans and it created a shadowy quote, unquote shadowy area at my groin.
Speaker 1:I knew you'd say that Always the crotch, I swear.
Speaker 3:Always, and so I had, so we had been in line forever. We finally get through, I get the shadow. So she pulls me aside and she's like we can do this here, we can do this behind a closed door. And I'm like, what the fuck does that mean? Like okay. So she's like, hold on to your pants. And then I'm like Okay, so I'm holding on to him. She sticks her hand in between my pants and my underwear and goes like all the way down my fupa and goes all the way around my stomach to my back, all the way to the back to the front Did you tip? her. Right, I was like Holy shit, what is this Like die. So then she goes, touches my butt cheeks, goes down butt cheeks, goes in inner thighs, goes up under the Fupa, touches the inside of my inner thighs and literally taps my vagina three times. Well, yeah, yeah, and was just. I was like what am I Watching this entire thing? And she's like she literally said to me well, it's because you're, you're overweight. And I was like, oh, thank you. So that's lovely. We get up to the front of the line. We're so late. We were supposed to be checking in as one of the first people, because I'm a person of size and have this little card. Well, because TSA was taking forever. And then I got pulled to the side. We're then the last people on the plane and guess what's left? On the last seat, little seat, little seat, baby. So, yeah, I Looked around and I saw this other fat guy and I was like, yes, middle seat, another fat guy. Buddies, like I'm giving him the look, yeah, with the like, what's up? Man, like we're cool, and there's this really really, really petite woman next to the, so like on the other side of the middle seat, and so I'm like I'll sit there, so put my stuff away, I sit down. The fat guy was fucking mean, oh yeah. He didn't. He was disgusted by me. He was ah, and like over to the side and like, kept like moving like his hand down his leg so that it would hit mine. I was like dude, we're both fatties, we're sitting next to each other. There's no way, our shit's not gonna touch each other, and I'm only like. I just looked over at him and I said are you first? Are you for real? And he was like you couldn't have sat anywhere else and I said, no, my fat ass is gonna sit right next to you and the girl me.
Speaker 1:They get a little compassion from another fatty.
Speaker 3:I right, exactly. I was so stunned. The compassionate person was the very petite little woman next to me. She said here, honey, and lifted up her armrest and said just scoot over this way. Oh Right, I'm in like starting to get tearful. Sure puffy guy over here is not having any of it and I just I couldn't believe it and I mean that wasn't a whole like airfare being the problem kind of situation. But that's the experience that you get just from other patrons or just from you know people doing their job, like the TSA, like there was no reason for her to be like oh, what's cuz, you're overweight.
Speaker 1:Yeah, first of all, over which weight? Which weight am I over? I need to know what do you mean, which weight, which weight Exactly?
Speaker 2:that term.
Speaker 1:But yeah, that's. I didn't know you're gonna get. I thought they would just want you, but they like felt you up.
Speaker 3:Oh, they felt me up and my friend now works for the TSA and I told her that happened. She said never happen. That never happens, that's like not supposed to happen. And somebody made a tiktok video of it happening and I sent it to her and I said this is exactly what happened to me and she's like that's so inappropriate, that should never have happened a lot of fat people Talk about how when they go through the thing they have to go through and it like swirls the wind or air around you and they're like doing the 360.
Speaker 1:I don't know what that machine is called an x-ray thing, yeah, but it's like you know big when you stand and you have to kind of hold your hands up in the air. A lot of people get Pulled out of line because of that crotch area. Yeah, I think because we have a lot of heat there often and maybe that triggers the machine. But I guess I think we can smuggle stuff under our belt, our bellies, like are fat people dangerous? Like I don't know Right, I don't understand. But yeah, it's how I see talk people talking about all the time. I wonder if it happens to fat men too or just mostly fat women.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the video that I saw was a man that, yeah, I'm. I'm curious, I think you know a lot of it too is the type of clothing that you wear as well when you're on the plane. So if you have something that is Sturdy, like jeans, and it's not gonna have a lot of like flexible movement, you're gonna see those shadows a little bit easier than you would with, you know, like a nice legging or something that's kind of right tightly to your body.
Speaker 1:What's that? One kind of bias that people have that makes them to be anti-fat? You have, I know we all have a bias, right, but some people really have enough that bias.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, Um now you say that you know I'm talking about.
Speaker 1:I know exactly what you're talking about, so that could be some of it too. I know you know they're humans, so they have they're the same kind of biases everybody has. So maybe that's why sometimes work I could we get pulled over than thin people. Implicit bias that's the word. Implicit, yeah, nice.
Speaker 3:Yeah. So having other horror stories. I mean my mom she's disabled pulled off a plane. They told her she was too large for the plane. That was Southwest Um, that was probably early 2000s, before the Kevin Smith incident Yep, before Kevin Smith. Yeah, just, I've never I've had so many mean Other passengers. You know people that scoff at you or say nasty things. I've had it where I've had the, the little sign next to me, and Sometimes I, when I get on a plane, part of my, instead of like just that whole reactive feminism thing to be accommodating, it's to the friend, the steward, like whoever is on that plane with me. Oh yeah, if I can make you my friend, like it's gonna be a less anxiety-provoking process for me because I'm gonna have to ask for a seat Belt extender. I'm gonna have to keep like you're gonna have to help keep other people away from the seat between me. Like let's just become friends right now. You know I've had like parents like come on the plane late and be like can we sit there when you guys move? And it's like no, like you got on the plane late. We all have. I've had that happen and it sucks and this is what happens, you know, like, but they see that empty seat and they're like well, can you move and accommodate us as far?
Speaker 1:as people know. You could have bought to, because that's what Southwest suggests by to, or you can just show up, like I do, two hours early, and then you get the extra seat. But nobody knows if you paid for that or not. You they can. You can just assume that I paid for it, because there are no difference between the two tickets, you know right. So I just say I pay for that seat because I'm a fat person. You guys don't want to sit next to me, you don't want me to touch you, so I buy extra tickets so you don't have to touch my fat asshole. I like to befriend the flight attendants too, when I first get on and I just tell him hey, I'm a personal size, I have the extra ticket, and they go okay, and I clock in, I'm like Okay, and then they come back and they're usually very kind. But you know what? Something the opposite happened to you once where, when I got up to the gate, you're not a person of size, no fool, you're not a fat. Well, have you seen my butt? Trust me, I know I'm a person of size. Oh, no, honey, I'm like oh lord, yes, I am, I promise you you. Just, you carry your weight. So well like, okay.
Speaker 3:Thank you, my guest and they're trying to overcompensate.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah, it's okay. Yeah, okay, I'm fat. I know I'm fat, visibly fat. There's no way to deny I'm fat. I can't wear black and go oh, I'm skinny.
Speaker 3:you know, doesn't work, doesn't and I I've been on planes to where You'll have an open seat next to you and not have a sign or anything like that. I had two seats open next to me in the front row of a plane and Everybody walked that entire plane to not have to sit next to me and I knew people because we were all at a conference together and they were on that plane and they still didn't sit next to me. It's just like it's amazing that people don't Recognize just those little subtle microaggressions that we recognize. Them are constant and you get them all the time when, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, those darts that come out of their eyeballs. They're like shooting them at you. And there's that stupid trope about fat people not smelling good. I don't know about you, but I always smell good. I smell amazing. I don't. I don't know. I mean I. When I smell stinky people. It turns out they're of all sizes. You know absolutely why do people think, fuck, you are stinky anyway. Maybe that's oh, they're so fat and we'll touch your fat. Do you remember that lady? Her name is Natalie. In fact, her friends on Facebook. She was recording this dude that was texting a whole message about her being fat next to him. She got it all. You do this Story. Oh yeah, I'd love those kind of stories. So I was gonna say, sis, I know you and your, your hubby, are such Kevin Smith fans and all that fun stuff. I know you're very involved with all that world. Do you want to tell everybody to have the Kevin Smith story, in case they don't know it about how it all went down in Southwest Airlines?
Speaker 3:Yeah, so Kevin Smith is writer director. He's the silent Bob of Jay and silent Bob. He used to be a person of size. He is now very. He's lost a lot of weight. He went vegan after his heart attack and so, in two things, he was flying Southwest and he was on the plane, boarded, sitting down, seatbelt, on everything's good, and a Flight attendant came up to him and said we're gonna have to have you come off the plane. And he was like what are you talking about? And I, you know, I have I made for an extra seat, like I, the armrests go all the way down, like everything's I. The seatbelts already already fastened, I didn't need an extra extender. What are you talking about, basically? And they said we're sorry, so you're gonna have to get off the plane. So he got off the plane. He was super embarrassed. If you ever Are interested in hearing the entire story, because it's it's a pretty intense story, but he's of course, you know, injecting humor in it throughout the rest of it. He talks about it on An evening with Kevin Smith, I think too. And then he did. When Kevin Smith turns 40, he talked about it. So maybe that's when it was, maybe it wasn't an evening with Kevin Smith too, but anyway, he tells the whole story. There was actually a girl who was flying up to our area to go to a Plus size event and he ended up talking to her about it because she got really upset too. But he was kicked off the plane. He got onto Twitter and Kevin Smith had quite the following on Twitter I think he still does and Started complaining to Southwest on Twitter for the public to see, and the guy was like Came up to him and he was like, hey, I Need you to stop tweeting. And Kevin Smith was like you're out of luck, buddy. And so it became this massive news story. He took a picture of himself with his cheeks. He put air in his cheeks, so his face is all puffed up and it just went viral. And he, kevin, travels everywhere like he. He's constantly on tour and Doing speaking engagements and those kind of things. So for this to happen so visibly, it really changed the course of his life for a while because he decided fuck flying, I'm gonna buy a tour bus and we're gonna travel the United States in a tour bus, which was, you know, interesting part of his life. But basically it all happened because Wait, they said it was wait, just distribution. There was too much weight on the plane and they had basically oversold it and they asked him to be the one to get off of the the airline. So, because of that huge response From his community, especially Southwest had to look at their person of size policy and make some changes. Thank you, kevin. Yeah, he, he really, and I don't think that was what he initially wanted the you know the process to be. But I'm so grateful that he did, because Now Southwest is really leading the way with their person of size policy. Well, the other places try to catch up.
Speaker 1:So they just chose him because he was a bigger person, or was he the last person on, or I Know they never really said why they chose him. He said was it bias?
Speaker 3:well, and he said I stood up and I saw three other people who were bigger than I was and he's like, he's like the and he talks about it in that whole episode, or he's sharing that whole story, and he's talking about like, just the looks of like please don't throw me under the bus, you know, of like having the conversations with other fat people via eyes of just like please don't point to me, like please just get off the plane, you know? Yeah. So I think they just didn't realize that he was, uh, he was gonna be the one that had you know the kind of background to be able to say, yeah, watch me burn this place to the ground, cuz what a dumb shit. Yeah, you ever chose. But like I'm, grateful We've got some silver lining from it, which is now we've got a really nice policy in place. It's still struggle with the policy from Southwest. So basically the Southwest policy is that if you purchase Another seat as a customer of size, once you have gone on your trip and returned, you can then file With Southwest to get that money back for the extra seat. So basically you're just paying for it as a placeholder and then they'll they'll refund you back that amount.
Speaker 1:So you're only technically buying one seat and they say they prefer that method because it allows them to do better planning how many tickets to sell, as opposed to what I always do is just go up to the counter when I first get there and say, hey, I'm gonna need extra seat and you know, if we talk about some of the other airlines, delta is that they won't charge you for the extra seat.
Speaker 3:But if they have to make cuts on the plane, guess who's getting cut from the plane? Yeah, american Airlines, you. You have to purchase the other seat but they're not giving you a refund, right? So so Technically, you know, not so great. We've got a lot of room for improvement on all airlines and organizations, but there's some other places that do some really shady stuff, like Korean air, yeah, and New Zealand air.
Speaker 1:But just to go back to that for a second before we move on. Yeah, I wonder if anybody's ever done a study of what's happened with Southwest Airlines Profits after they started that policy. I wish someone would study that so they could get into their, you know, like Forensic accounting, and just say like hey, and, by the way, other airlines look, look what's happened to them. You know, maybe they'll won't adopt it, I don't know. But yeah, there's, let's go back to the shitty airlines. Shit, it's crazy, it's so crazy.
Speaker 3:No, I agree. I think any kind of longitudinal study for that would would be nice, not only just from the. If people are choosing Southwest just because of that size, I'd love to know that data. I'd also yeah, oh, me too yeah. And then you know, I'd love to also know the data on, like you said, just kind of the long-term financial impact that they're they're also getting from that. So somebody who needs a dissertation topic there you go, south, southwest being the the wonderful guide of thus far. On the backside of that is Korean Air, which is now weighing their passions, or before they get on the plane, and While they offer the option to quote, unquote, opt out, they also get to randomly select the individuals that they Would like to have weighed before they get on the plane.
Speaker 1:It's like the squid games of flying.
Speaker 3:Well, I was just kind of also thinking like, doesn't this sound familiar? Like we also had randomized searches happening in New York and it was predominantly black and brown people being stopped and Asked you to be frisked and all that kind of stuff, and guarantee you, predominantly it's gonna be the fat people that are gonna be the ones to ask to be weighed.
Speaker 1:Oh, no doubt, no doubt in my mind. Yeah, I have been weighed before to get on the airplane. But it was a smaller airplane. It was a long time ago. But I was with my partner who was like six foot four and three fifty and I was probably a good three hundred at that point and we're getting on a tiny little airplane. But they, they took everybody's weight but they didn't like say they didn't yell it out loud, you know, they didn't like six, four to eighty, they just, they just kept it to themselves. Thankfully we didn't see it, but I know they had to weigh everybody because the smaller planes they had to even out the weight distribution.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I, I. It makes sense, like it it. I Totally understand that. You know there are laws of physics and there has to be just distribution of weight due to inertia and all the other fun Science he words. What I don't understand is why they would need to individualize. Wait, like, why are you weighing certain passengers? Why is this not? We know what the plane weighs without anything inside of it except for our standard, whatever it is that we have in there, here's our base weight, and then we get everybody on the plane, we get all their luggage, and then what's the weight? So that we need to calculate it, so that we figure out, you know, are we gonna have to take off a little bit differently, or whatever it is?
Speaker 1:I just don't get how they do that on an individual basis if you just seems like common sense that they would know like, once Everybody's loaded and all the luggage is loaded on, I would. I would have thought they were already getting a weight.
Speaker 3:Right, I thought so too. It just it almost like baffles me in the sense of like, should you even be allowed to be up in the air in general?
Speaker 1:Yeah, what's the maximum amount of weight this airplane can hold?
Speaker 3:Oh, my gosh, and you know, did they count the Kardashians luggage? Cuz I'm sure there's, you know, five times that amount on it, just yeah it doesn't sense to me.
Speaker 1:It seems a little prejudice. Definitely there's definitely some bias. There would be my guess. But you know, fat people, people have a lot of disdain for Pat people, fat people for no reason, I don't understand it, but it's.
Speaker 3:sometimes it comes out in all kinds of weird ways, mm-hmm especially when, like you know, you're confined in a small space, you start seeing some really weird sides of people.
Speaker 1:A lot of people sign very heavily as you walk down the aisle.
Speaker 3:Here comes a fatty shit, yep. Or like I know, whenever I walk down the aisle I have to do it sideways on Southwest, and my ass always hits some, you know Somebody, and I'm like squeezing in as like tight as I possibly can be so that I can get through the aisle and I'll, you know, bump somebody and I'll be, oh, I'm sorry. And then I'll just hear like yes, sir, that's happening in my brain too. I wish that I could just lean over in the day of COVID and go Correct read all over everybody.
Speaker 1:I know it's like me when I go to one of those little stores like a Hallmark store and I knock shit over and I'm like, oh, do my butt do that. I'm sorry, I didn't even know. It was way out there like a bullet trying to cabinet. Yeah, I, some people are very, very cool and I used to be like you know you probably want to sit next to me because most likely no one's gonna sit in the middle seat. So like I would be at the airport looking for other fatties to try to like hey, you know, some people got it, other people are like they didn't get it at all. Like if we team up, you know you're on one side, I'm on the other side, no one's gonna want to sit in the middle and that's where I was with the fat guy.
Speaker 3:I was just like come on, man, it's you and me like let's do this. Oh, but that's a whole. Nother pod is fat people hating other fat people. There's so much hate and internalized internalized phobia the anti-fatness just driven into our culture.
Speaker 1:It's yeah, sometimes the fat people are the meanest people, which is sad.
Speaker 3:Yeah Well, and they've had probably the most experience with it, so they know how to make it cut.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, but so back to the shitty airlines. I was reading about New Zealand Airlines too. Yeah, they were just doing a survey, though so they were just one the way 10,000 people, just to get idea how much people way, or really wonder if they were gonna implement it. Maybe they were getting it doing that survey to implement it.
Speaker 3:Possibly so New Zealand already has a track record for not liking fat people.
Speaker 1:You're right, you're right.
Speaker 3:So I'm gonna take that with a little bit bias and say my guess is that they want to Target some folk. Did they say how they're gonna utilize this information?
Speaker 1:Just said 10,000 people and it was a survey, but of course they're gonna use that data for something horrible, I'm sure. Yeah, maybe they're gonna charge fat people. We're gonna charge us by the pound Something about the suitcases, right?
Speaker 3:If it's over 50 pounds, you get charged, get charged a whole another suitcase fee. Yeah, you have to get on those little scales now. Okay, like if I'm gonna have to pay more than the average, then I better get some really fucking great accommodation. Upgrade some massive upgrade.
Speaker 1:I've never sat in first class, I've never have I have. How was it?
Speaker 3:I bought first-class tickets to go from Sacramento to Seattle for fat Con Okay cool, that's gonna be like my first like officially buying first first class. But we were coming home from New York and they screwed up their our flights and they told us, as we were like getting on the shuttle to like get to the airport, and they had moved it up. So we literally only had 15 minutes to get on the airplane and we were hadn't even made it to the gate, like to the front, and we got up and James was so upset and he was like what is? this. I just got this text message and it says the plane's gonna leave in 10 minutes. And the lady was like, oh my gosh, yes, there was a problem with whatever this plane was and they've moved stuff around and we're gonna we're gonna accommodate you right now, should. We walked right past TSA. They didn't even check us. We didn't walk through an x-ray, nothing. She walked us straight up to the gate, handed that our tickets to the people at the gate. They ran us up and she's like okay, take a left right here. And I was like the what now? And she was like take a left. And I was like, but that's, that's first class. She was like, yeah, we upgraded your seats.
Speaker 1:You guys are like celebrities.
Speaker 3:Oh, my god rock stars First class is the like I. There's a reason, there's it. Yeah, I mean it makes sense. The food is incredible, the space is incredible, the leg room, I mean it's just like it's on and on of the amenities. I just but it's so expensive, nobody can ever afford to do any.
Speaker 1:Right cuz it's like four or five times a normal ticket.
Speaker 3:Yeah easily, easily. Yeah, we went. We went from New York to California and, oh, I was like on Delta, it was beautiful one time I had a whole row of three seats.
Speaker 1:I felt like I was in first class. Yeah, another time I flew from San Francisco direct flight to Frankfurt when I was working in tech and it was one of those airplanes. It was so huge and I had like three seats on the one side, two seats on the other and then five seats in the middle and One guy sat on the outside row and I saw the other outside row. We had three seats in between us. That felt like first class to it. Also like Lou Tansa has more space, not like crammed in. But the problem is is that he fell asleep with it. He was on the all the chairs, using all the chairs, and his feet got cold. He had taken his shoes and socks off of gross and he found my warm fat thighs. His feet were like trying to wiggle their way under them to warm up his toes. I was like, oh my goodness, I had to get the flight agent. Excuse me, I showed her she was. You don't know him, I go. No, no idea. So she went around and woke him up. Excuse me, sir, can't have your toes on that lady. Thank you, I mean if somebody's toes little and you didn't have socks or shoes on an airplane but it felt like first class because Lou Tansa feels big. You have all kinds of space and leg room. I'm five seven. I'm not super tall, but you know, average woman is five four. So I have like three inches plus I have the big butt which makes me look tall and boy. But yeah, that was nice, but except for the toes. When you're on a 14-hour flight you need to be comfortable.
Speaker 3:Yeah that's well. That's one of the only reasons I've never traveled big-time internationally is because I Can't afford to have that kind of space, and that's the really the only way it's comfortable to travel like that. I it's just. It's so much. I see those Really fancy plane like that, is it emmerites? Oh Like. I just see those videos and I'm like how, how much does that cost? That's probably like my car, you know, like just one way.
Speaker 2:What is that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so before we go on this one, to mention that we are asking people to send in their horror stories or their their traveling hacks for fatties, and we're looking for videos. So if y'all can send us 30 not 30 60 second, maybe 90 second videos, you can send it to Our Facebook page or our Instagram. You can DM us and we'll love to put your Video in our next we're gonna. When we edit this one, we want to put your videos inside of it.
Speaker 3:So let us know what you got going on out there, because we want to hear about it and if we can make reels and things like that that we can use to get people to come in and listen to this episode. Other fatties that are Scared to, you know, get on an airplane or I want to talk about, you know, what they've experienced. It's nice to have a community around this and that's something that I wanted to share too is that, in traveling so much in the state of California, I started following online forums and Facebook groups about traveling while fat, and you get some of the best information on those sites because it's real fatties, and I love it when they take a picture of what they look like when they're getting on the plane, like so, you see, like their body Distribution, so that it's like when they're like okay, you know, I really struggled this with this, and if you've got thick thighs, you know, in comparison, this is what mine looks like, you know, and then it gives you that idea. It takes away some of that. Oh scary, I'm not so sure about this. There's just so much camaraderie and and Knowledge to be shared on those forums that fat guy should have been on that flying while fat on Facebook. He needed to need to learn he seriously at will, and I was gonna teach him if he opened his mouth.
Speaker 1:We're gonna learn today, sir.
Speaker 3:I was like I've been at a Mental hospital for people who are criminally insane. You do not want to fuck with me right now.
Speaker 1:Too bad. Yeah, you needed like a, like those dolls that you poke with a pen or whatever it was called you do doll. So for those of you don't know it, there is a group. It was created by Stacy bias, who's also the creator of Brad Fatties the merit badges, and she also has um, she has this really awesome animation on YouTube and we'll put the link in our story or our notes will miss the video. This is edited, but Stacy bias created a flying while fat and it is. It has a moderator. It's been not being moderated so nobody can now spam it and stuff. It's really fat. People tell their fat stories of traveling good, bad or ugly and, in fact, people sharing Traveling hacks. It's awesome.
Speaker 3:What have you found? Any hacks from that? That really stuck with you.
Speaker 1:Well, I did one thing that I know a lot of people don't. They say we shouldn't do, but I bought my own Seatbelt extenders, one for Southwest Airlines and one for all the others because after I didn't travel for all those years, I want to travel when it go places, you know. So I would just take my own Seatbelt extender back in the old days when I was embarrassed to ask for one. I'm not embarrassed any longer. Now I, even if I bring my, I still ask for one because I want to normalize the conversation. I just want to say excuse me, may I have a seat extender, seatbelt extender. That way people hear it and they start to get used to hearing that. That way people who are more shy than me I can maybe take some of the blood, do it down a little bit for them Well, and I love that.
Speaker 3:So thank you for doing that, because I I'm really of the mindset of that needs to happen as well. I love it. When I mean I don't love it, I'm saying that Sarcastically. But when you ask a flight attendant, may I get a seatbelt extender? And they walk back and they hand it to you Like they're doing a drug deal, like you know, like I don't want anybody to see this honey here, you know, you know it's like thank you, there's you honey. I appreciate the seatbelt center, like thank you. It just it cracks me up. But you're right, just normalizing the conversation is so important.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because I see other people trying to get one on the down low and I'm like we all gotta just start saying it. You know it's. I always credit Tigris and saucy, because one time when they were at my boutique I was gonna take pictures and video and stuff and they were both getting ready to take a bite of a nothing Bunt cake. Like, oh, I won't take a picture. Now they go Hell, yeah, take a picture of us. I was like you're okay with me, take a picture of you eating. And they both like, yes, we have to normalize this and not that. Ever since then I always think of them. I think we have to normalize these conversations and I'm not embarrassed like again, if the airlines did it, not us, right, they made the seats 15 inches wide people right.
Speaker 3:One of the things that I experienced when I asked for a seat belt extender at one time. I was in the. I was in the. What do they call that? The safety row. You know like what is that called?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can't have a seat belt extender.
Speaker 3:That, yeah, she was I said may I get a seat belt extender? And she looked at me like I Was disgusting and she goes you cannot wear a seat belt extender if you're gonna sit in the seat. And I said because fat people can't save other people's lives? And she looked at me like I slapped her. She said do you need to find another seat, ma'am? And I like I fucking squeezed it in his pot and I was a skinnier than, but I Squeezed it all in and like I heard it click and I looked up at her and I said, looks like we're just fine. And I was, oh my god. Every time she walked by like I just gave her like the fuck you, bitch. Look I'm sitting here and I'm. If we're going down, I'm gonna sit on top of you and take this recipe. You're not going anywhere though we're, if you're stuck in there, and when I took that seat belt off, it like sprung up in there.
Speaker 1:This commercials with the buttons on the pants and they said, goes flying all around the room for the doctors. You know, when you're talking about that, it made me realize why I went and bought my own. I see, felt extender used to be. Sometimes they didn't have enough and Then they'd have to go find one another airplane. They would like delay stuff and they would be like we'll be back, grandma. I'm like, oh god. So I know they don't like us to use them, but I do and I did it for that reason. But it doesn't seem like they're ever out anymore. They're better stock now, thank God. But yeah, some people you know they don't want, they won't ask for it and they'll fly without a seat belt on Kills me, especially when you get into this situation with turbulence.
Speaker 3:You don't want to not have a seat, I know, but yeah, they used to only keep one at the front of the plane and the back of the plane for the demonstrations, and Now they've gotten a lot more Understanding of, hey, there's probably gonna be multiple fat people on here. Let's get right. I bought one of my own for Southwest when I was traveling so much for work and that was just because I didn't want to have to constantly just be asking for it and then like give it back and it was just easier for me to keep it in my carry-on. Snap it, go you know.
Speaker 1:So I guess sometimes people nab them as they leave. They don't give them back. That's oh, you know I was gonna tell you. I know I was gonna say a minute ago. Did you know I learned this from flying while fat. Did you know that when they have to repair a seat belt, they actually just cut it shorter and then, if it frays and they cut it smaller and then put it back together? So it starts out at certain length and as after a while, is like okay, it's 32 inches, that is 28 inches, is 26 inches and that's. It keeps getting repaired against smaller and smaller. So there's no guarantee they're all gonna be the same. They're not all uniform.
Speaker 3:It's wild like that stupid? Yeah, like why not just get on the whole another? Why are you cutting it? Oh?
Speaker 1:Whatever, they get rid of that policy. But yeah, that's when I it's one of the reasons why I bought one too, because I just never knew Sometimes I would fit, sometimes I wouldn't, and I was just don't want to take that chance. Then I didn't want to ask for it. That's when I realized why am I taking this all on? Why am I taking this as my, my fault, you know? And, by the way, do people not realize that some people are fat For a variety of reasons? Right, it could be trauma, it could just you come from fatter people, your people are fat and big. You could have PCOS, that you can't lose weight, it no matter how hard you try. There's, there's health reasons why people don't are fat. So I don't know about you, but I tried a really hard to show compassion well, to everybody, but also people that have health issues. So you're being mean to me. You're also being. You don't know why I'm fat and it could be something. I could have had cancer or something you know right.
Speaker 3:How about you just don't be mean to anybody, like what I mean? Kindness is free people. And and how is the fat person sitting next to you on the airplane Ruin in your life like how I?
Speaker 1:Saw you remember Jen from a plus mommy. Yeah, she got on to a flight one time and it was really snug and for whatever reason, she got jammed into the middle seat and she just said to the guy next to her I hope you like to cuddle. He said, yeah, I do so. Then they, you know, because you're touching you can't help a touch. Oh, I'm good line. Do you want snuggle? Yeah, I spoon you up, you down, a spoon.
Speaker 3:I and I don't know about you, but I'm my thighs are so thick that I manspread like that's just that's how I sit, and I can't not sit that way. It hurts to like put my legs and I sit with my legs crossed, usually on an airplane, just so like if I'm with somebody or next to somebody that I don't know. That's why I love flying with my partner, because I don't have to worry about that. I'm just like guess what, buddy, here's my fat thigh ride on top of yours, like it's no big deal. But yeah, it really does. It really does create kind of a uncomfort. There's so much Uncomfortableness no, that's not a word. You know just in general around that that it's like why are you adding more to it?
Speaker 1:Just a lot of discomfort. I think since 9-11 to Flying just got really unfun. Yeah, because there's so much now and there's so much stress and see something, say something, and I Filtered people that you know I'm white and the white woman I have a lot of privilege. There's a lot of other people that travel that they really get it shitty. You know they're really people, are really biased towards them. So I know, but it's, it's not 11, it's just not been fun at all. I'm just like I travel what I have to. You know, mm-hmm, I would love to travel to New York to see if we win that full figure industry award, but man, the idea of flying to New York is just like it's so daunting for me.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's a five hour flight. It's a rock to be in a really tightly confined space when you're already uncomfortable and then you're having to make all these extra accommodations and there's just, yeah, it's, it's a lot. So I totally get that and, yeah, I Wish that there was. You know, I see all these different types of airlines popping up and you know we're accommodating this and we're accommodating that. Why don't they make like a fat person airline, it's like you kid-free airline, they've got All like Hawaiian Tropic Girls, that's a few airline. You know, like there's all these different accommodation things. It's like what happened to. You know, making that as an option for fat.
Speaker 1:Do you know about that airline that you can rent out a private plane for like you and 20 of your friends? No, I always thought that would be fun because apparently if you get like 20 people it's very affordable. A friend of mine, her sister, used it recently to fly to Vegas with her daughter and they were like, well, only fly this way to Vegas from now on. It's a smaller plane, you catch it at the same airport. You have to. You know, you split the cost with the 20 other people. She didn't have her friends with her that time, but you know you can do that. Yeah, that'd be so fun to just have a plane only seats 20 people.
Speaker 3:Yeah, only only fight 15? Yeah well, and the people that you know. So it's like you know you're getting on the airplane with people that aren't gonna do weird shit.
Speaker 2:Here's the thing, yeah.
Speaker 3:I Love that. It's like this is the most common form of discrimination or bigotry or whatever. And yet there's people that take their fucking shoes off on airplanes and clip their nails, and People that you know, like put their hair up over the seat so that it falls all over somebody else's stuff and lands in their food. Or you know like, people are so gross on airplanes and you're choosing to pick on the fat people like we're digging at the bottom of the barrel. Folk, did you say?
Speaker 1:people sometimes clip their nails on airplanes.
Speaker 3:I've heard that yeah, oh, there's a. There's a Instagram page of like all terrible situations when you're flying of like terrible, you know other people and it's hilarious, but it's disgusting. I mean, it's just like the gall and the audacity of some of these people, it's just mind-blowing.
Speaker 1:I trip out when people are willing to take their shoes off on airplane, the amount of people that have had their feet and their shoes. And, by the way, people go into public restrooms and then those shoes and they come in on to and they go into the restroom on the airplane In those shoes, like you should keep your socks and shoes on because you might catch something on the airplane in a bathroom airplane. Oh, I tried really hard. So what do you do? How do you manage? Not, peter, anything else. We're serious when you're on the airplane.
Speaker 3:IP right before I get on the airplane. Like Probably three times I'm peeing at the airport just to like make sure nothing is left in me. Yes, and then I Will pee immediately after getting off the plane. I've peed on the airplane before. It's so uncomfortable, it's so difficult to do. As a fat person I feel like Chris Farley and Tommy boy in that scene. You know where you're, just like you're so tightly in that you know Everything gets stuck and it's just awful. So, yeah, I tried to avoid it as much as possible. One of the main reasons I don't want to apply to New York.
Speaker 1:That's what the truth right? You know we were talking about this a little bit offline. But this mile high club, how could you possibly have sex in a bathroom? It's so tiny. When I have had to go to the bathroom, it's like I open the door, step outside, back in. I'm like beep, beep, get my butt in there, close the door, forget about wiping there's no way to wipe the pee off. And then, yeah, hopefully better. You shouldn't have to do anything serious because you're so screwed. You're so screwed. I'm really careful you just even leading up to it not to drink too much water, and I love water. I'm like I still don't have to pee.
Speaker 3:We don't get like astronaut you know, there People were buying diapers and we're in diapers during the Taylor Swift concert and the Beyonce concert. I mean, it makes sense. I it's not a bad idea. I've never worn one. That's like I didn't know they made them in our size until we had had a long discussion about that with the hysterectomy stuff. Yeah, but yeah, it's a good idea.
Speaker 1:I mean, what do those people do that are waiting for the ball to drop on New Year's Eve Because you can't move, there's no toilets, you have to wear diaper. Growing up in Las Vegas, I have seen people pee at the tables, at the card tables, because if they're on a streak you know they can't get up and they'll just piece it right there. And they do. Those are just like you know, shaking their head oh my god, not another one, you know. And they have recons around and cleaning up and they just stay there. They keep playing in in wet pants and wet underwear and stuff. It's so weird.
Speaker 3:I don't get it. I just I'd rather. I'd rather be like no thanks, I don't want to participate in whatever it is.
Speaker 1:Thank you I just want to stay home all the time, so do we have any more hacks that we want to share with?
Speaker 3:people, so I want to just share some of my hacks. So the first thing is wear comfy clothing, because you're gonna get the shadows if you don't, and it's just better to feel much more comfortable while you're stuck on the airplane. You want easy shoes to take on and off. If you don't have the Specialized whatever it is that you pay for to break past the TSA line, you're gonna have to take on and off those shoes. And, oh, one thing I can't stand is trying to like bend over in the airport and tiny little spots and release my shoes. And so you want something slip on and off.
Speaker 1:You're gonna get a whole lot of information about me if I have to spend over and time my shoes, oh, Exactly me too. Maybe something for you don't want.
Speaker 3:We were just talking about how gross planes are, so I always take emergency before and the next day of being on the plane. You have a little tablets or the powder, because I know that I'm going to be exposed to so much repurposed air and everybody's confidence knees in, and so I'm always like mindful. I'm a germaphobe, so I'm really mindful of that. I always take hand sanitizer or hand-sandy wipes.
Speaker 1:For the best.
Speaker 3:Like white gown stuff, because if you ever take your own wipes and wipe it and see what's there, it's gross.
Speaker 1:What do you do about the tray? I can't ever get the tray down unless I have an empty middle seat.
Speaker 3:Yeah no, I can't get the tray down. It hits my belly, so it's no point in even doing that.
Speaker 1:I bring snacks to my own, finger food kind of snacks, so I can be prepared, so I don't have to put the tray down.
Speaker 3:Yep, same here. That was one of my hacks is I always bring water and I always bring crackers and I choose crackers because I get really bad motion sickness and taking off and landing on a plane with that huge drop in air, especially in California. So if I'm leaving from SAC to LA it's a much quicker process because I got to get up and then get back and so I noticed that I get super sick to my stomach. So I always make sure that I eat something before I go so that I'm on a full stomach, and then I always have like a cheese it or pretzel or something that's pretty bland that I can just have there, just in case I start to get queasy. But that's my absolute must. What?
Speaker 1:about when people bring on their fast food. It smells so disgusting. It's like I didn't even realize fast food smelled that bad, until you get in a confined space like an airplane and then we all have to smell it. It's like, oh, those chicken nuggets smell so disgusting right now and I like chicken nuggets, right?
Speaker 3:No, and part of my thing too is the people that buy the tuna. Oh yeah, because they sell it at that little, the.
Speaker 1:Hudson Beach stores.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the little oh, and some people will buy, like the little crackers with the tuna is like an express thing, and then they'll open it on the play. Oh my God.
Speaker 1:Just like you're really handled that at home with the windows open. Right, I know I'm like and you got a plane with that Like I just want to smash the face into the tuna, Just like oh, murph, working in tech, let me tell you the things people put in the microwave and the whole building starts to smell like that and you're just like what died right, and it's somebody's leftovers. And people put all kinds of weird shit in the microwave that you just permeates the whole building. Yeah, so gross.
Speaker 3:Well, I think I think we covered a lot in terms of air flying, while fat, I know that we can drill down and get really, really specific, but one thing that we haven't talked about is sexy stuff when it comes to planes, so we're going to insert a little naughty about not a vibe of the week, but a airline mile high club of the week right here, using ladies what I just saw around in here with my own little spicy mile high memory from a lifetime ago at this point.
Speaker 2:So I'm 39 now and this is back when I was two, yeah, 22. This was the last time I ever flew, because flying, while fat is, it's an adventure, as most of us know. So I going from California to Arizona, it's not a super long flight, but I'm waiting into board the plane and I see this super hot and yeah, I'm kind of I'm at that point, I'm pretty inexperienced, kind of innocent. I don't really know what I'm doing, but I do know that if you look over shyly and smile, that if there's any interest, it'll catch their eye right. So this guy and I were doing that kind of thing back and forth, just little smiles and little eye flirts, and we get on the plane for boarding and he ends up a couple of rooms ahead of me and so I have to walk past him to get to my seat and I definitely slowed down at his row and I go and I sit down in my seat and I'm in the window seat in my row and there's one other person, this older lady and she's on the aisle seat and we're like halfway through the flight and all of a sudden I see him get up from his seat and my heart's like, oh my God, he's walking towards me and he comes up and stops in my row and he leans across this woman and I'm so sorry, I don't even know what she was thinking, but he leans over and he goes hey, I want to show you something. And me being, you know, enamored, I'm like, okay, so I get up, I have to get past this poor woman and follow him into the bathroom. I do not know how anyone fits in those bathrooms, but I really don't know how we fit in there, because there was two of us and neither one of us were particularly small, because I was definitely still chunky and he was not a small guy. So he pushes me up against the wall and kisses me. And if you're listening, if you remember, if it's you and you remember this moment, please message us at bigsexychatcom and tell me your name so I can at least give you credit, because I do not remember. I don't think they ever told me the name actually. So, anyway, this man kisses me and who it was? Like me, I don't even think that I could hear anything because of my heart going in my ears and it was hot. He put my hands, somethings happened and I kind of lost all sense of anything. But I do remember somebody knocking on the door and needing to use the bathroom and him going just a minute and yeah, then we got out of the bathroom, smiled at the guy that was trying to get into the bathroom. He just laughed and we like that was it. I mean, that was the last time, didn't even bother exchanging information, nothing. The older lady that was on the aisle seat when I came back and I sat down, she just looked over at me like just scorning. He said that like wow, you're disgusting Kind of look and I just smiled, didn't know what to say, didn't even try and yeah, that was the last time that I flew.
Speaker 1:They won't let you go to people in the bathroom anymore, will they?
Speaker 3:No, but people wait and see who's not paying attention. You can't do it on a quick flight. I don't think. You know it's got to be a long flight, but it has to be a quickie.
Speaker 1:You have to get in and get out of those things.
Speaker 3:Good thing, you're right. Who wants to smell that awful blue water? Like not sexy, but sitting next to each other with something a little, maybe a little handy, or a little A little silver bullet vibrator action, yeah, maybe a little remote control.
Speaker 1:Yeah, orgasm is very good stress relief.
Speaker 3:That's true, that's very true. And you know it's one of those things where you're going to leave the plane feeling a little rejuvenated. Maybe some blow up to the cheeks. They always say to you know, use the little avion spray and be hydrated. Well, maybe get that natural little sweaty glow from getting a little frisky with a thousand mile hub.
Speaker 1:One time when I flew home. I used to travel to Europe a lot when I worked in tech and I flew home I was gone for six and a half weeks. I couldn't wait to see my partner and he could not wait to see me and I remember I even were like a cute outfit and some like white tights and very 80s outfit. And then, you know, I was in the 90s and I was so excited to see him but I was never able to get up from my seat. I think I got up once to go to the bathroom. My ankles swelled up so huge because there was no circulation and I was like I looked down at them like he did not care about my ankles.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's like I'm putting those behind my ears, baby, I don't care about those.
Speaker 1:I was so upset though, because they got huge. I even had tights on they. Just you know, airplanes are not great, for everybody gets that swelling from flying a lot. They fly back and forth to Europe. It's a long flight. Yeah, it is.
Speaker 3:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:When I land on the look at my ankles, he's like uh-huh, whatever.
Speaker 3:Who cares?
Speaker 1:You're standing, that's not so long ago, baby, I think we might have had a little fun in the parking lot. If I remember correctly, that's a long time ago, though, no mile high club up in the background.
Speaker 3:A little mile airport.
Speaker 1:Sometimes you got to do what a girl's got to do. Oh, I love it. So I want to make sure to remind people that we really love to hear from you. We'd love to get little videos from you. 30. How do I keep saying 30? 60 seconds to 90 second videos.
Speaker 3:I think 30 second videos could be good too.
Speaker 1:Sure, sure. If you can do it in 30 seconds, yeah and yeah, we would love to put include you in an, include your horror stories and your hacks. And the other thing over remind people is to enter our giveaway. We have our sponsor. Liberator is giving us three sex blankets to give away, and they're three different sizes. So that's why we're asking does size matter when it comes to sex blanket? And they're, they're going to allow us to give away three. So just go to big sexy chatcom forward slash blog and check it out and sign up. You're just going to put your email and your name in there and then we'll pick three winners randomly on September 15th at 8pm at night and we'll notify the winners via email.
Speaker 3:It's going to be great. I'm so excited.
Speaker 1:I was going to bring my sex blanket to show you guys. I have two of them. No, we had to throw one away.
Speaker 3:Well, I know that you probably had that for like a decade, though it did yeah.
Speaker 1:It was got a lot of use, a lot of travel, a lot of washing and drying, so it lasted for a really long time. You know, the liberator products last forever. Yeah, forever and ever.
Speaker 3:It's such good quality you can wash it pretty much a couple of hundred times and you're like, all right, yep.
Speaker 1:You're good it holds up. Yeah, and remember, I know you all have heard us talk about going to Fat Con, but we love to hang out with you at Fat Con, so if you go to our blog, you can sign up to go to Fat Con or at least check it out, click on the link and learn more about it. But it's going to be Fat People in Community, very safe place. Yeah, it's been a long time that we've all been together since the pandemic, so I think they're gonna require people wear masks, which I think in January is definitely required, just any year.
Speaker 3:Well, and it's just safer when you're in a big, large area like that in the any kind of flu COVID season. You know which we're gonna be in the thick of. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, I have to wear a mask all the time anyway, cuz I feel like if you cough like you're somewhere at the grocery store, whatever people all turn like, right right. I feel your eyeballs throw dark. Set me with your eyeballs.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, and just like how we started this episode, talking about, you know, the back to school everybody having COVID, it's gonna be everybody got together for the holidays and that next weekend is gonna be the fat con. So it really makes sense why they would need To have masks and to wear our PPE and all that because we're gonna have another big boom.
Speaker 1:Just like that and our friend Tigris is gonna be the keynote. Our friend saucy West, plus model, plus size model, she's gonna be one of the speakers and she will they both do. But saucy is very focused on advocating Her size is larger than a size 28, and which I really appreciate because I'm on the 28, sometimes a 30. So I appreciate saucy and she does a lot of that kind of activism. So it's gonna be and there's gonna be so many amazing speakers and just a lot of other rad fatties, events happening at night.
Speaker 3:There's gonna be burlesque. I'm really excited about that. There's gonna be fat vendors, or vendors for folks that you know of a fat lifestyle. I I'm just super looking forward to the just how exciting it's gonna be. But the community that's really where I'm Getting to interact and like talk to people and where are you from and how did you learn about this and I love that, and so it's nice to be in a room with like-minded people.
Speaker 1:Murph, it was so great to see you last weekend with Amazon. Amanda, yeah, I had so much fun. On the next weekend I hadn't seen you in person in so long.
Speaker 3:I know it's been almost like a decade, it's been pretty close. Yeah, maybe not.
Speaker 1:It was up too many, yeah, years. That was so much fun having branch with Amanda, amazon Amanda. You know our YouTube of that because people can watch our you to our podcast or listen to it on YouTube or listen to it from our website. But our video of Amazon Amanda, of us doing her podcast it's been downloaded over 3,500 times. Wow, that doesn't even count on our other downloads, it's just separate YouTube downloads. Wow, I know, but hers is the most popular on YouTube. Yeah, people, people often comment oh, she's so lovely, she has a great heart. She does. She was really fun to lunch with.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and she's. I just love where she's going with BBW triple X adventures. You know, I think that that's just starting this process of like sexy fat porn and I, you know, like seeing any kind of representation like that, um, in a, in a sexualized way. That's, that's healthy, you know, and positive normalizing it fact people have sex too.
Speaker 1:Just like big fig mattress said big Fat, people have sex too on their big fig mattresses, which is our interview last episode with morgue moan from the big fig amazing, adorable ads. So Normalizing we got started, got a normalize everything and Amanda and her company aren't one of our sponsors, so you can often hear our ad her ad on the beginning of our podcast.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so check it out. And it doesn't surprise me that she's one of our top Our top downloaded folks, because she's just got an interesting perspective. He'd be a really great person to get some info on flying while fat, because she does it internationally all the time. So we'll reach out to her and see if we're really cool story.
Speaker 1:You have me know a part two of flying while fat. Why? Be sure to check out. The Facebook page is a great page, is moderated, might take you a little while to get in, um admitted, but it's worth it because, yeah, it's so good, yeah, awesome. Well, thanks for a nice talking with you. I'm gonna see you later, alligator. Well, after a while, crocodile.
Speaker 3:So where can you find your favorite fatties? You can find us at big sexy chat calm on all the social medias, at big sexy chat on Twitter, big sexy chat pod and Crystal. How can they reach us?
Speaker 1:Oh, murph, the best way to reach us is by email, which is sexy at big sexy chat. Calm and remember to like, subscribe and share, please.
